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Poster: suspect Date: Mar 28, 2005 3:12am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: use OGG or shn! :)

The problem with oggs (at least as far as I know) is that they're not supported by ipods and similar "mp3" players. Anyone know if that's true?

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Poster: J.B. Nicholson-Owens Date: Mar 28, 2005 5:35am
Forum: etree Subject: Ogg Vorbis support in portable digital music players

No, it's not true. There are portable digital music players that support Ogg Vorbis. Xiph's wiki keeps a list of them at http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers so if you're in the market for buying one (or buying another one, for those of you who already own a portable digital music player), check out this list.

Rio's Karma, for example, can play Ogg Vorbis and FLAC files.

I plan to get a Neuros device because not only does it play Ogg Vorbis, it also records CD-quality WAV files (via line-in or mic input), and it has free software firmware. I can learn how to program it and add functionality to it. There are some other users who have already done this and I hear that someone is working on adding FLAC support (it would be neat to record to FLAC so you can get almost twice the storage space without losing any quality).

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Poster: xtifr Date: Mar 28, 2005 3:54pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: use OGG or shn! :)

Yeah, OGG is still new and doesn't have a *lot* of pentration yet, but it's coming on fast. Up until maybe a year ago, the Rio Karma was the only portable that supported OGG, but then the format became the darling of the audiophile circuit, after it stunned the crowds in a series of well-publicized double-blind tests, so the vendors have been getting on the bandwagon in a big hurry. (The vendors also like the fact that it doesn't require license fees, unlike MP3, AAC, WMA, etc.) There's well over a dozen portables supporting OGG now, and just a couple of months ago, some company put an OGG decoder on a chip, which will make it even cheaper for the vendors, so I expect to see OGG on a many, many more portables in the very near future.

If I had an ipod, though, I'd probably download the SHNs/FLACs and transcode to AAC, which is also much better than MP3, though not as good as OGG. But the lack of OGG support is one of the main reasons I *don't* have an ipod! :)

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Poster: suspect Date: Mar 28, 2005 11:04pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: use OGG or shn! :)

Does OGG have the capability to insert DRM inside of it like AAC/WMA? Since it is open source, I'm sure the potential is there but I don't think they've gotten that far yet. Which may just be the reason that Apple and the other biggies haven't created support for them yet.

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Poster: swenny Date: Mar 28, 2005 3:37am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: use OGG or shn! :)

My problem exactly! All of this "support lossless formats" is great in theory, but neither of my two mp3 players will play OGG or SHN or FLAC. So until we/they can figure out a good hack, I'm stuck using mp3s. And frankly, the sound quality difference just isn't that dramatic in most cases. YMMV...